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Mooresy
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 30 Jun 2013 : 16:04:13
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Well having had my daily trawl of the classified yesterday I noticed a few 'old friends' are back. Yes, cars that have apparently 'sold' recently are back on ebay. It seems every classic I watch these days has some sort of Shenanigans surrounding it.
There is the rusty white Alpine fastback with 18,000 miles.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181166985128?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
This apparently sold on 3rd of June for £450.00. Its now back on, same vendor (Bare-in-mind there was no reserve).
Then there is the Plymouth Barracuda. This was a classified ad. The ad was ended short on 19th June and the ad stated 'Sold'.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181164974658?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2648
But here it is again with the same vendor...
Next-up is a nice little Avenger GT.
This one sold on 27th June for £2049.99, again, no reserve, but, guess what, here it is again. Same vendor.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190863610985
Something, isn't quite right, are vendors listing them without a reserve and then deciding later that they have not achieved the money they would like ?
I see this all-the-time. Nothing is selling in the classic car world (well not much anyway) the only stuff selling is below £3000.00 is. I have been looking at Triumph Stags. Some of this ads are literally years old. There must be around 40 for sale at the moment and around 2 or 3 a week appear to sell. then, guess what ? there they are again a few weeks / months down the line, up for sale again. The problem is the asking prices are a lot for this old tin. It is undoubtedly a buyers market but the vendors haven't quite sussed this out yet. There are far more classics for sale (and I mean, FAR FAR More) than people looking for them. My advise to anyone looking for a classic at the moment is Knock at least 25% of the asking price and leave it with the vendor at 'take it or leave it'. I see to many signs that the classic car market is in some kind of 'Bubble' at the moment.
Oh, one last car for sale, Its a Hunter GT. He was originally looking for £5,000.00 (yes). The reserve has gone down to £4,500.00 and is now at £4,000.00. Its been bid upto £2,700.00, £2,100.00, £3,500.00, £2.150.00 and £2,100.00 on the many times it has been listed. Reading the description, it states 'Restored to a very high standard' yet somehow looking at the engine bay, interior, and perhaps the 'ripples in the sills and possibly the door bottoms, I don't think so ? Certainly not a five grand motor, or even a four grand motor. I would say £2,000.00 my-self, but, what do I know.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=221247701197
UPDATE :- On the Hunter GT
Yet more nonsense surrounding this one. It sold on 11th July for £2,550 after the reserve was lowered mid auction (to £2,501). Probably to catch this bid and get shut. But here it is again with different pictures (more honest in some ways) showing the knackered dash top and tears to the seats etc. No reserve this time, starting bid of £1750.00, oh and it had a hole welded-up now ? I think this is it's 7th outing on ebay. What planet is this guy living on ? apparently 'restored' to a very high standard means new sills and a re-spay ?
Get bidding !
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1971-Hillman-Hunter-GT-no-reserve-practical-retro-vintage-classic-car-/221255346552?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3383d8a978
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arrocuda
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Jun 2013 : 17:48:52
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Certainly agree with what you're saying re: too many cars and not enough buyers. Mass produced cars will never be worth a lot of money unless you have a one off prototype or something extremely rare but it doesn't seem to put people off trying. The main problem I think on ebay is the lack of transparency by sellers when it comes to being honest about the cars condition.
I suspect that the guy who bought the Avenger GT for example didn't expect the rusty bits, the 'poor' seats and the 'poor' carpets to be quite as 'poor' as they obviously are. The seller has put several long distance shots of the car but not a single pic of any of the defective areas which are obviously what we all want to see, particularly if you are thinking of making a serious bid.
Building the 'Mark II' fastback Rapier ('Arrocuda'). |
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Mooresy
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Jun 2013 : 19:29:41
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Quite, From my experience It's always been the vendors that are the time wasters. I once viewed a Talbot Samba convertible (for my wife, obviously) I asked what condition the hood was in, was there any leaks any damage etc ?(they were around £500 at the time, 16 - 17 years ago). The vendor said no, its fine, no leaks and in good condition. It wasn't. It was a mess, Perished and split everywhere. It had possibly more ducting tape than hood. totally plastered in the stuff. The footwells were sodden and the door card on the drivers side was missing. The rear window mechanisms didn't work (bear in mind the car was described excellent condition. I had the last laugh for my wasted trip and fuel money.
I unplugged one of the wires to the coil, then shoved the spade connector down the conduit on the loom so you had no chance of even finding the wire even if you realised it was missing. Have a bit-o-that ! |
Edited by - Mooresy on 30 Jun 2013 19:30:34 |
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Mani
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Jul 2013 : 16:26:38
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| There could be a explanation why ads re-appear. I am currently selling my car on Ebay and its going well, until someone put a bid on and starting winning the auction. When I checked on the Ebay members ID I found to my horror that he was kisted as a Private Member, something I had never known could be done. Being a Private member this automatically removes all of your feedback left by others including negative feed-back, therefore you have no idea on their history. This set alarm bells ringing so I contacted them asking to explain why they were a Private member as I was about to remove their bid if they did not reply. Well he/she decided to retract their bid which had a maximum bid of £6500,a figure which I would love to get for my car, but realistically would never get. I do however have a few serious bidders who are in contact with me and are willing to pay around the £3500 region. My point is if I had not had concerns about this idiot who put that silly bid, I most probably would have had to re-advertise my Sunbeam. I would say be cautious of any items for sale on Ebay as it seems to me that they are willing to let members with a bad history still trade under the Private Members category rather than loose commission from someone. |
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Mani
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Jul 2013 : 16:28:23
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| Sorry for spelling mistakes, hand working faster than the brain. |
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bigt80
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Jul 2013 : 21:14:45
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Mmmm, that's interesting. I was surprised when they introduced these 'Private ones' I thought it just hid the feedback history to a general viewer, but if they bid on an item of yours, you could see it. That's worrying you can't. I'm surprised e-Bay have gone that route: it is the openness that makes it work. Generally I agree selling on e-Bay not easy now - too much spoof bidding too. Cheers for the info. G.
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Originally posted by Mani
There could be a explanation why ads re-appear. I am currently selling my car on Ebay and its going well, until someone put a bid on and starting winning the auction. When I checked on the Ebay members ID I found to my horror that he was kisted as a Private Member, something I had never known could be done. Being a Private member this automatically removes all of your feedback left by others including negative feed-back, therefore you have no idea on their history. This set alarm bells ringing so I contacted them asking to explain why they were a Private member as I was about to remove their bid if they did not reply. Well he/she decided to retract their bid which had a maximum bid of £6500,a figure which I would love to get for my car, but realistically would never get. I do however have a few serious bidders who are in contact with me and are willing to pay around the £3500 region. My point is if I had not had concerns about this idiot who put that silly bid, I most probably would have had to re-advertise my Sunbeam. I would say be cautious of any items for sale on Ebay as it seems to me that they are willing to let members with a bad history still trade under the Private Members category rather than loose commission from someone.
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Mani
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Jul 2013 : 23:39:25
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yes, something wrong there. Just in case any is interested the Ebayer ID is: homer-j-simpson-1
Well it sold to a serious bidder and will be picked up soon.
Thanks All |
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turbinecol
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31 Jul 2013 : 11:46:30
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Hunters are being advertised for silly prices now. Maybe a rare GT in top condition is worth it, but this one doesn't look good enough to ask more than £1500 for - the metalwork where the wing join is melded into the sill looks decidedly amateurish, and some of the customisations are poorly executed too. There were a couple of so-called 'barn-find' Sceptres on recently which have sold for totally silly money though, several hundred pounds for complete junk. So yes, fully expect those to be back on ebay soon when the bidders realise their folly.
There is one chap who advertises his cars mid-restoration for thousands of pounds - most recently a Hunter Estate. If he doesn't get the money he'll keep it himself, he threatens the casual ebay viewer. Good luck mate.. |
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Mooresy
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31 Jul 2013 : 22:52:18
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Originally posted by turbinecol
There is one chap who advertises his cars mid-restoration for thousands of pounds - most recently a Hunter Estate. If he doesn't get the money he'll keep it himself, he threatens the casual ebay viewer. Good luck mate..
This is the guy that bought the golden sand rapier from Shropshire in April (I think) for £700.00 and put it back on a few weeks later for £1,500. It sold and is now on 'Car and Classic' priced at £2,500. It was originally advertised for a laughable £3,200.
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C404228 |
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bigt80
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Aug 2013 : 09:14:23
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Nice setting for the photos
I'd say that was £1250 tops from what I can see of it.
Wish they were worth a bit more, but they're not. 
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The Nonsense that is Ebay !
