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| Mooresy |
Posted - 13 Jul 2013 : 12:47:51
Just found this one.
Looks solid and complete but tatty. Will no doubt need some body repairs, stripping / dismantling and a re-spay. The problem is the price £3200 ?
Really ? That's concourse money isn't it ? Looks more like a 1000-quider to me - tops.
Do vendors actually think if they have paid over-the-odds for a vehicle then that can be passed on to the next owner along with the cost of any maintenance etc. In some cases the maintenance / improvements - yes.
Crazy !
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C404228#
Hang-on-a-minute ! This is the car that sold on ebay in Shropshire about 4 months ago for just over £700.00. It then appeared back on ebay with a new vendor ("loosemyoverdraft" in Southampton) for £1,500 Now its £3,200 and it still hasn't had anything significant done to it ! |
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| pollystag |
Posted - 10 Sep 2013 : 19:32:59
Hi mate,
I thought all things that you have said,and i have read all the posts on here.i was hoping that someone may have viewed it.
i think the owner accepting my first offer before i had seen it gave me a little clue that i wouldnt be bothering to view it,its a shame as for the right money and someone who can do all the bits and bobs it needs (not me) it could be a nice car.
Like wise the gold one a bit to far for me but im sure if you wasnt to bothered it could be used and improved.
Cheers steve. |
| Mooresy |
Posted - 09 Sep 2013 : 22:19:40
Its up to you, depending upon your circumstances.
Some guide lines and opinions are posted above your re-post. |
| Mooresy |
Posted - 09 Sep 2013 : 10:26:36
Steve,
Like yourself, I am also looking for a Rapier. What I can tell you about the one is Dorset is, It sold in spring for £700 via ebay, It was originally located in Shropshire (on a farm). I didn't view it, although it was not that far from me because it looked far to tatty. However, it did appear original and un-messed with. A guy in Portsmouth (I think) bought it and put it back on ebay within the month for £1,500. I believe the present owner bought it from him (The guy in Portsmouth also had a Hillman Hunter for sale that was currently being restored). From what I can remember from the sets of pictures It would have needed repair sections to the lower rear wing areas (behind the wheel arches). The front wing tips had obviously been repaired in the past as the paint was a different shade. Plus there would be lots more rust lurking in the usual places.
As far as the re-spray goes. It may be a quality job, but if the prep just consisted of 'filling' then it wont be long at-all before rust is coming trough once again (if indeed it isn't already). What struck me with this car was the fast changes of ownership and the ridiculous asking price prior to it receiving the re-spay (remember It sold for £700 with was probably a fair price at the time). Like they say. The worst classics to buy are the ones that have just been re-spayed. Personally, I would rather see tired original paintwork or a photographic record of a complete rebuild with detailed receipts. Also, ask yourself, why would you re-spay a car to sell ? How much does a 'quality' re-spay cost ? Why would you not just sell the car for a cheaper and more realistic price (Remember he wanted £3,200 when it was still gold). If he will take £2,600 with the re-spay, then why did he not advertise it for £1,500 in the first place ? Answer - to make it look presentable and cover stuff up perhaps ?
As for the H120 in Warrington, I viewed this one. Don't get carried away by the photographs. Lets just say I was a little disappointed. You can read a review of the condition below. I think he has had trouble selling it because, people bid without looking and when they go to collect they discover the true condition and walk away. Ask yourself, If its as good as it looks and sounds, then why is it still up for sale ? If you are after a tatty runner that will require a complete strip-down £1,500 of repair sections, lots of welding and a full re-spay then this may be the car for you. If not, It will be a waste of your time looking at it.
Here's the review :-
Hello All,
Viewed the above mentioned H120 today. I'm afraid it needs a lot of bodywork to bring up-to standard. Its a complete car that is generally sound but unfortunately needs a complete body restoration.
Good points:-
Complete car. all badges and details present. Tidy engine bay. seemed a good runner (although I didn't pursue this). Solid structure(inner wings floor etc). Its had new sills inner and outer and welding to the rear arches (usual places). MOTd amd drivable. Very good door panels, clean as a whistle on the underside and the door skin lip. Boot and bonnet perfect no rusting to the lower lip of the boot. Tidy interior with no noticeable damage to the seats etc. Presentable at 25 feet.
Bad points:-
Bodywork and paintwork. wing tips rusted and filler lifting. Front wings blistering, lifting filler and blistering down the back edge adjacent to the doors. Lifting / blistering filler to the lower rear wings both before and after the wheel arches. Filler in the rear arches / lip. Drivers front wing has been replaced at some stage (with a steel wing) but badly fitted with the lip inside looking messy with a couple of 10mm bolts at either end. The rear valance has a good bit of filler in it. Chromework was aged and ideally would need attention. but ok for the time being. All rubber work very cracked and perished. Webasto sunroof, although in good-nick it didn't appear to sit flush with the roof when closed and was a bit messy on the inside with black paint on the Webasto roof lining. The roof of the car itself is not covered in vinyl (as the pictures may suggest) it is actually hand painted in matt-black paint with evidence of filler around the roof gutters and repairs to the bright trim in the gutters.
The vendor has owned the car for around 4 years and never used it. It was bought from someone in Crewe Cheshire. The Vendor (Gary) recons that the photo's on this site are around 10 years old.
Nice chap selling it. Honest and not pushy.
Summary :- This car is twice as good (if not more) than the yellow shed I viewed in Nottingham. The two problems I see are the sunroof and the bodywork. Unfortunately, the money to make this car good and the price it's at dont add up in my world (Wing tip repair panels, wing door edge repair panels, lower rear wing repair panels before and after wheel arch, rear arches, rear valence, the roof ? and a full re-spay and whatever else you discover along the way of which there will be plenty). On saying that though, these are now rare cars now and if you simply must have a H120 then I guess you may have to just take what comes along - and if the Nottingham shed sold (he was asking £4000.00 for it) then this one will.
Regards,
Chris |
| pollystag |
Posted - 08 Sep 2013 : 22:22:55
Hi,
Is this car really not any good?
I have emailed this feller asking if an offer around £2600 would buy it (subject to me viewing it when i can get there from essex) he emailed back saying that he will take that amount. I also asked about the respray and in his opinion it was a quality one and took about a week.
I also emailed about the h120 that sold earlier on ebay and the bloke said he hadnt beenpaid yet and if it fell through would email me.
Which of these 2 would be the best buy?
Cheers steve. |
| Mooresy |
Posted - 02 Sep 2013 : 15:29:30
quote:
Originally posted by MartinD
Has this gold one just gone metallic red?
It's on ebay, number plate is obscured but it looks to be in same place.
I'm still looking for one, but I'd rather have an honest / solid / scruffy one rather than something where they're trying to make a huge profit!
Yes, It's the Gold one alright ! I guess he's decided to 'tart-it-up-a-bit and give it a 'blow-over'. If you follow the links for the gold one (above) you now get the red one which shows the ad has simply been edited. The description is virtually the same as well except he is no longer looking for an NSU RO 80 and now 'needs' a left hand drive (must be moving to the continent or something). Also, the ebay user name is the same as the gold one (7652348768). And yes, this is the one that sold for £700 in Shropshire earlier in the year.
You can't fault the lad for trying... |
| MartinD |
Posted - 02 Sep 2013 : 10:16:47
Has this gold one just gone metallic red?
It's on ebay, number plate is obscured but it looks to be in same place.
I'm still looking for one, but I'd rather have an honest / solid / scruffy one rather than something where they're trying to make a huge profit! |
| wannaberapierowner |
Posted - 14 Aug 2013 : 15:20:49
Guys,
Just want to say thanks for the input on this forum (particularly this thread). It has saved me from a potentially expensive mistake!
I want a Rapier fastback, but it wont be this one now.
Cheers
Wannaberapierowner |
| andyb |
Posted - 06 Aug 2013 : 12:56:54
third time around !
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1968-Sunbeam-Rapier-fastback-MOT-Tax-decent-condition-drive-away-/171096090015?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item27d61f259f
sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand |
| Mooresy |
Posted - 13 Jul 2013 : 17:50:58
quote:
Originally posted by arrocuda
Is too bad your looking for a minter Moosey. I've got a 'kit build' one that I'm thinking of putting up on here. Needs a little welding around the windscreen but I was gonna do that myself. Apart from that its pretty sound. Seats are knackered (as usual), the engine will be the one out of my project car which is a low mileage reconder.
Building the 'Mark II' fastback Rapier ('Arrocuda').
Thanks for the offer, although capable of a project I have to be honest with my-self these days. I just don't have the time, with a house to 'do-up' two kids and work. Just looking for a rolling restoration or a minter. If I bring home a pile of rust the 'big Chicken'll be straight on my back ! |
| arrocuda |
Posted - 13 Jul 2013 : 15:14:02
Is too bad your looking for a minter Moosey. I've got a 'kit build' one that I'm thinking of putting up on here. Needs a little welding around the windscreen but I was gonna do that myself. Apart from that its pretty sound. Seats are knackered (as usual), the engine will be the one out of my project car which is a low mileage reconder.
Some bits missing that didn't come with it but nothing that you couldn't source on here or ebay. Would probably suit someone that was looking to do a full rebuild and not have the hassle of dismantling it first..... cos the only thing that's in it in the way of the drivetrain is the diff, but I've got a good overdrive gearbox too.
In no rush to sell it, so not bothering with ebay.... can't do with all the messers or might hang on to it and make it into an El Camino styled pickup!
Building the 'Mark II' fastback Rapier ('Arrocuda'). |
| arrocuda |
Posted - 13 Jul 2013 : 14:16:33
quote:
Originally posted by Mooresy
Do vendors actually think if they have paid over-the-odds for a vehicle then that can be passed on to the next owner along with the cost of any maintenance etc. In some cases the maintenance / improvements - yes. Crazy !
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C404228#
Hang-on-a-minute ! This is the car that sold on ebay in Shropshire about 4 months ago for just over £700.00. It then appeared back on ebay with a new vendor ("loosemyoverdraft" in Southampton) for £1,500 Now its £3,200 and it still hasn't had anything significant done to it !
I think the clue to this guys agenda may be in his Ebay moniker. He couldn't make a quick buck on ebay, so now he's going up market with it. No doubt he'll be selling his beloved RO80 on ebay next month.
Building the 'Mark II' fastback Rapier ('Arrocuda'). |
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